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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/2009/09/unfun-unfunny-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-11761</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As we’ve seen from what passes for political discourse these days, ANY &#039;flaw&#039; on the liberal side of the argument is seized upon, inflated, engorged, pumped full of red meat-juice, distorted by any number of talking heads willing to sell their souls for a quarter and ginned up so as to make enough noise to drown out any sensible discussion going on.&quot;

You&#039;re using passive voice here to generalize about, and disparage, anyone who disagrees with you, who are claiming to speak for &quot;the liberal side of the argument&quot; -- as if there were one such consensus view.  

Whatever the issue, either of these approaches is going to guarantee a heated Fail, let alone combining them.

&quot;I can really only think of three effective counter-strategies: get just as strident and noisy, shift the debate to an area where the other side is vulnerable or flip the patience-of-job switch.&quot;

I don&#039;t recommend getting involved in discussions in the political blogosphere, or anywhere, with two out of three of these approaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As we’ve seen from what passes for political discourse these days, ANY &#8216;flaw&#8217; on the liberal side of the argument is seized upon, inflated, engorged, pumped full of red meat-juice, distorted by any number of talking heads willing to sell their souls for a quarter and ginned up so as to make enough noise to drown out any sensible discussion going on.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re using passive voice here to generalize about, and disparage, anyone who disagrees with you, who are claiming to speak for &#8220;the liberal side of the argument&#8221; &#8212; as if there were one such consensus view.  </p>
<p>Whatever the issue, either of these approaches is going to guarantee a heated Fail, let alone combining them.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can really only think of three effective counter-strategies: get just as strident and noisy, shift the debate to an area where the other side is vulnerable or flip the patience-of-job switch.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recommend getting involved in discussions in the political blogosphere, or anywhere, with two out of three of these approaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/2009/09/unfun-unfunny-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-11750</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;SFSignal pointed me to Maxim magazine’s Star Wars flowchart, which is pretty bad if one were to take it seriously &quot;

Setting aside that it&#039;s addressed only to males (It&#039;s Maxim, so big surprise), I thought it was somewhat funny, myself.  What did you think was so bad about it (if not the point that it&#039;s addressed only to males)?

One doesn&#039;t have to agree with all the opinions/conclusions/assumptions  (I don&#039;t) to find something funny in it.  But humor is, of course, subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;SFSignal pointed me to Maxim magazine’s Star Wars flowchart, which is pretty bad if one were to take it seriously &#8221;</p>
<p>Setting aside that it&#8217;s addressed only to males (It&#8217;s Maxim, so big surprise), I thought it was somewhat funny, myself.  What did you think was so bad about it (if not the point that it&#8217;s addressed only to males)?</p>
<p>One doesn&#8217;t have to agree with all the opinions/conclusions/assumptions  (I don&#8217;t) to find something funny in it.  But humor is, of course, subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: The Crotchety Old Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/2009/09/unfun-unfunny-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-11749</link>
		<dc:creator>The Crotchety Old Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Gary, BUT:

As we&#039;ve seen from what passes for political discourse these days, ANY &quot;flaw&quot; on the liberal side of the argument is seized upon, inflated, engorged, pumped full of red meat-juice, distorted by any number of talking heads willing to sell their souls for a quarter and ginned up so as to make enough noise to drown out any sensible discussion going on.

I can really only think of three effective counter-strategies:  get just as strident and noisy, shift the debate to an area where the other side is vulnerable or flip the patience-of-job switch.

All of them take time, resources and an audience willing to listen.  I think it&#039;s much better in the long run to save the ammunition for yourself, rather than to willingly hand it over to them&#039;s what&#039;s gonna shoot it back.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Gary, BUT:</p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve seen from what passes for political discourse these days, ANY &#8220;flaw&#8221; on the liberal side of the argument is seized upon, inflated, engorged, pumped full of red meat-juice, distorted by any number of talking heads willing to sell their souls for a quarter and ginned up so as to make enough noise to drown out any sensible discussion going on.</p>
<p>I can really only think of three effective counter-strategies:  get just as strident and noisy, shift the debate to an area where the other side is vulnerable or flip the patience-of-job switch.</p>
<p>All of them take time, resources and an audience willing to listen.  I think it&#8217;s much better in the long run to save the ammunition for yourself, rather than to willingly hand it over to them&#8217;s what&#8217;s gonna shoot it back.</p>
<p>PS: will be implementing a &#8220;comments editing&#8221; plugin relatively soon. (Pretty much right after the paintball website is back up and I get the ad plugins working properly over here again)</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/2009/09/unfun-unfunny-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-11745</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...but open itself to accusations of ‘reverse discrimination’ &quot;

Yes, but those are always definitionally idiotic.  Minorities and majorities, oppressed and oppressor, are not mirror images.  

And all authors not selected for an anthology suffer by not being included.

Those straight white, able-bodied, males who feel oppressed by &quot;reverse discrimination&quot; have no clue what a sea of privilege they swim in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but open itself to accusations of ‘reverse discrimination’ &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but those are always definitionally idiotic.  Minorities and majorities, oppressed and oppressor, are not mirror images.  </p>
<p>And all authors not selected for an anthology suffer by not being included.</p>
<p>Those straight white, able-bodied, males who feel oppressed by &#8220;reverse discrimination&#8221; have no clue what a sea of privilege they swim in.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/2009/09/unfun-unfunny-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-11744</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m (kind of) eager to see what the mind of Scalzi – who gave us octagenerian space marines – has done with this franchise.&quot;

No offense to John, but he&#039;s just a consultant; that means he gives notes; he&#039;s not remotely the main creative force.  But I&#039;m sure his notes were excellent, and with luck the producers and writers paid attention.  

As someone who is very fond of &lt;i&gt;SG-1&lt;/i&gt; as popcorn (which, like almost all sf shows, started out finding its way slowly in the first season, but got better and better), and mildly liked &lt;i&gt;SG Atlantis&lt;/i&gt;, which was yet more uneven, I&#039;m cautiously hopeful about SGU, which has some major talent with Robert Carlyle.  Let&#039;s hope the new situation can make for some fresh and good writing.  

I&#039;m going to miss Amanda Tapping and Michael Shanks, in particular, although I liked all of the gang at SG-1.  

Not stuff to provoke any thought; never remotely original sf; but generally fun popcorn, once they found their legs.  

My favorite comparison of SG-1 video moments is &lt;a href=&quot;http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2008/02/fascinating.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this post&lt;/a&gt;.

And one very &lt;a href=&quot;http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-hurt-my-side-laughing.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brief comment&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m (kind of) eager to see what the mind of Scalzi – who gave us octagenerian space marines – has done with this franchise.&#8221;</p>
<p>No offense to John, but he&#8217;s just a consultant; that means he gives notes; he&#8217;s not remotely the main creative force.  But I&#8217;m sure his notes were excellent, and with luck the producers and writers paid attention.  </p>
<p>As someone who is very fond of <i>SG-1</i> as popcorn (which, like almost all sf shows, started out finding its way slowly in the first season, but got better and better), and mildly liked <i>SG Atlantis</i>, which was yet more uneven, I&#8217;m cautiously hopeful about SGU, which has some major talent with Robert Carlyle.  Let&#8217;s hope the new situation can make for some fresh and good writing.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to miss Amanda Tapping and Michael Shanks, in particular, although I liked all of the gang at SG-1.  </p>
<p>Not stuff to provoke any thought; never remotely original sf; but generally fun popcorn, once they found their legs.  </p>
<p>My favorite comparison of SG-1 video moments is <a href="http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2008/02/fascinating.html" rel="nofollow">in this post</a>.</p>
<p>And one very <a href="http://amygdalagf.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-hurt-my-side-laughing.html" rel="nofollow">brief comment</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Science Fiction Keywords &#124; Wanderings</title>
		<link>http://www.rimworlds.com/thecrotchetyoldfan/2009/09/unfun-unfunny-morning/comment-page-1/#comment-11743</link>
		<dc:creator>Science Fiction Keywords &#124; Wanderings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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